@fookyuen5939
I dunno if it has been discussed before, but how would you guys recommend developing a champ pool when placed in a secondary role/autofilled? I feel that this happens often enough, especially with roles such as mid and top, that if you don't develop a champ pool it is an automatic LP loss. At the same time, practicing these champs/roles would mean less time on the main role. How should this be dealt with?
@ImKioto97
Hi coaches! When champion cycling, would you guys recommend start playing the new champ directly in ranked and just take the inevitable LP drop, or should we practice the new pick beforehand in normals or in an alt account?
@jaywlkrr740
Im not even playing league, im playing DOTA 2 but the concepts (3 blocks, reviewing, champ pool and champ mastery etc.) you guys teach are still applicable not even dota 2 but to competitive FPS aswell that's why im tuning in and pretend you guys talking about DOTA 2 lmao. Someday gonna try League because the way you talk about it make me wanna play it too
@Max-lc1sg
Thoughts on short-term vs long-term pools? For instance, I'm trying to build a long-term pool to stick for a couple seasons --> == Ahri, Taliyah, Orianna (If 3v3 is low threat) + Off-role: Neeko Support. I think Neeko support is worse for the short term VS playing something evergreen like Leona or Nautilus, but in the long-term it means my main-role champ pool is much larger and resilient to meta changes. TLDR: is it worth to try use your off-role to extend your main pool (with an off-meta / non-evergreen pick) using flex picks, VS picking a simple evergreen role-champion, but losing that extra champion for your main-role pool long-term?
@butterflyfx57
It's a small thing that was mentioned towards the end, but huge. "You can be a mechanically oriented player with a mechanically simple champion". I've had Miss Fortune in my pool since the beginning of the season and this is sort of the direction I chose to take with her. Using Q at the right time to reset love taps results in tons of damage and it actually takes some skill to find the right time to do it in teamfights. Also using move speed to move into the range of abilities that could cancel ult, bait them out, then punish with ult when those abilities are now on CD.
@SpinninWaffle
5 episodes away from the big 200, excited to see what you lads have in stock. Would love to see another case study.
@Slipperie
Day 1 listener, original kangaroo member was a yas main then, still a yas main now :) 1.2 mil mastery (started in season 9)
@HusumLOL
Another Great listen, keep it up guys. Love hearing people with healthy mindset and thoughts talk about league.
@robertmenter4804
This was probably the best episode yet. I’m coming up on 2 years of following the podcast and have been playing since season 8. Thank you both so much for educating and MOTIVATING me to continue my JG journey through Emerald towards Diamond.
@Pyrrha_Nikos
You can even do with flexible pick that fit a specific playstyle instead of choosing just via the archetype. For example, what I'm doing is playing champs that can start fights in a snap second and have damage to win them. So my champ pool fits an assassin like Diana, ad bruisers like Jarvan, Jax or Xin, and damage tanks like Zac. They belong in different archetypes, but they all fit that purpose of being the engage for the team, but don't rely on the team following up to win through those engages
@fool9
Nice. I'm sure this episode will help a lot of folks on their journey. Champion identity isn't always obvious.
@ElReyDeNoche
I had to switch from podcast format to the youtube video just to say that the Shyvanna Renekton era had a third top laner in it. Dr. Mundo. Basically teams would pick one of the three and just rotate those 3 in season 4 or 5. And all 3 of them basically could build sun fire and spirit visage and be a menace. It was a wild time.
@MrDraehl
Late reply, but two champs I love keeping in my flex spot are Pantheon & Swain. Both are reasonably easy to pilot, fun, and can flex between roles. Neither of them are my main, but definitely two to keep as pocket picks depending on the situation or getting filled.
@Freakattaker
33:00 Shen lanes pretty normally pre-6 and absolutely deals dmg in lane and even post-6. It's only in mid-late game where he's full tank and kind of eh (but if he's ahead and itemizes stuff like Heartsteel, Titanic, Sunfire, etc. he absolutely can slap an ADC's head off just fine). The weirdest thing is that he's balanced by having really terrible wave clear. If you compare a lot of the other "global ult" type champs they all have a range limit to their global presence but have wave clear to access their roam timers.
@younggod5230
Fascinating fascinating video. I would always recommend playing a bit of aram to everyone. While its obviously not league, and it doesnt do anything for jungle feel, you will still be exposed to perspectives of the game you normally wouldnt have learned. like, if youre an adc player, you might roll a tank. something youd never play otherwise.
@criticalrevel
Hi guys and the community, i've been following several "informative" channels regarding improving while also trying to have phun. I Thank u all for the work u put into this
My case is i ve playing since season 3, started as jg, i've played a lot of champions and roles, and during season 9 transitioned to mid lane. I love control mages, so i've played a fuck ton of zoe, taliyah, syndra, TF etc. But i've always had a weak spot for complex champion and during a time (and untill today) i also ('ve) tried zed.
And all that u guys just said resonated hard with me cause, even though i may have had the basics combos and laning, i never could understand the identity of zed, and during the mid game id just plain out suck, even if i got fed during the early game.
Only as of recently zed has started to "click" slightly. (i wont ever say that i've mastered anything due to me being low elo)
i've played recently a lot of hwei (like 50 games).
My question is, given the fact that i've been playing so long (i might have like 250 + games on each of the before mentioned champs)... Is it that bad for me to try and improve on say "zoe, zed, hwei" and have like a couple more champs as a "reserve" or this "champion cycling"? and also, do you need to pick those champions consecutively (no matter what, be it comps, counter matchups etc) for actual improvement?
I am currently plat, and have 2 accs. one i play for "winning" and the other for actual improvement wherein i dont worry as much on the lp gains.
(I do enjoy certain "simple" champs, like galio, vex. But i really hate, either Champions like talon which are boring for me or champs like yone/irelia which should not be in the game and yes this is biased).
links to both my accounts so that ppl can roast me XD
https://www.op.gg/summoners/las/EI%20Marxismo-LAS/champions
https://www.op.gg/summoners/las/EI%20Socialismo-MARX
@BPFACTS88
not mentioning Amumu as a low to mid elo jungle evergreen is criminal
@PlasmaKingSnake
I agree with Shaco. 1 tricking him when I played PC was so detrimental to me learning the game. I was decent at him but terrible in the jungle role as a whole until I picked up Rammus, Vi, and J4.
@smappa849
Before I even watch this, I remember this topic being such a can of worms for me, I have so often tried to min max a "perfect champion pool" in my head, trying to think it all through even before playing, then committing for said champ(s) for a set amount of games, then jumping on to the next one, likely before I had properly learned the ropes on the first champ. When I did this, I would often seek validation from different sources, including this podcast and Nathan and Curtis' other content, but also a wide variety of voices in the comminity for better or worse. This combined with my tendency of gravitating towards (super)hard champs is probably why I find it easier to always have a "one trick" mindset when learning a champ, since then I don't need to overthink drafts and counterpicks and the like, and just jump in to every game with the same champ until I feel ready to move on. Interested to see your takes after putting some of my own thoughts down, and maybe I'll edit below what I found helpful/interesting from the vid itself, but if nothing else at least this boosts up the ol' youtube algo and whatnot. Thanks for keeping up the consistent uploads, hyped for 200 episodes very soon! Edit* A couple of things to add, like you explored, I would either switch champs too fast or stick to one champ too long. I would also be very rigid about my decisions in relation to my champs, so I would not listen my gut and thus felt forced to stick into a champ past it's "expiration date". Takeaways for me currently learning mid (I haven't plateued yet so hard to say what rank I'll be, currently hovering around p4-p3), I'll go ahead with the assassin pool goal, currently working with Akali and maybe pickup Zed or Talon later on and likely 2 trick for the time being.
@nicksmith516