I had to point out to a young denier that I own a pair of Ice skates.. I live in Southern Ohio. It hasn't been cold enough to ice skate here in 30 years. I just looked at the 20 something and said, "I own Ice skates, I used to Ice skate HERE as a child." (the last ten years we barely had snow) he actually looked thoughtful .. like "Oh, how do I deny this?" . I asked him if he's ever been ice skating outside? I told him flatly, this isn't the same climate I grew up in. It has changed a great deal. My brother in law was a climate denier, but he's also a diary farmer, it's been a decade since he changed his mind because reality is where farmers live. The Climate HAS CHANGED already.
I grew up Evangelical Christian. I’ve radically moved away from that cultural and religious perspective at this point but when I was in my twenties, I was the youth director at our church back in the nineties. One of the first lessons I taught was based on a song called “beyond belief” and I challenged my students that their faith is meaningless unless it is put into action, they have to move beyond believing something into allowing it to radically shape their lives and behavior. Perhaps that perspective is what allowed me to escape the movement, because it never was just aimless belief to me. Although, I disagree with his final premise. I don’t think it’s that we’re in denial; folks I know who agree climate change is happening—we all know and agree we need massive changes and there will be massive consequences. We’re desperate for our governments to take big action, we welcome the change because we know it is necessary and that avoiding it means worse consequences. We don’t get on planes because we’re in denial of anything. We get on planes because we have to get somewhere and it’s either burn fossil fuels in a car, bus, boat or plane to do it and generally those decisions are made for you by your work/family schedule and the size of your bank account. I suppose there are some electric trains but the electricity is generated by fossil fuels and they’re super expensive. I’ve never been able to afford it compared with driving or flying.
Plenty of us believe it, but there's nothing we can do about it. We don't have the resources to live off the grid. We barely make enough to afford rent every month.
CORRECTION: Actual current increase in global temp significantly higher than stated, herein and elsewhere, as shown Sept 12, 13 and 14, 2001 when airlines were not allowed to fly for three days. Global temps skyrocketed! Upwards of more than 1.5 degrees F when contrails no longer reflected sunlight back out towards upper atmosphere. Mr. Finnegan’s analysis is spot-on. Even downplayed. Mother earth is coming for deniers AND those who, like my family, have spent the past 60 years fighting to “SAVE THE WHALES” (our first national campaign from the ‘70’s). The deniers’ arguments are a;ways the same and are, more recently, shifting to: Well? The Climate is changing BUT? It’s natural! Humans had no part in these changes. Alas, we knew THAT was coming, too. 😢 As the permafrost melts, the NEXT challenge for those who remain will be: Where to find the ‘high ground’? Away from the methane flows already choking out those with respiratory illnesses. Where is it safe from fires and resulting smoke? Who are these arsonists intentionally fueling the flames of our demise? Let alone, where will the clean air and water be for the next seven generations? ANSWER: Not in some billionaire’s underground bunker. Mother earth is coming for EVERYONE.
Denial is a wonderful thing--until it kills you. Stupidity is its own punishment.
This is a good example of why I don't like TED talks much anymore, I don't care about the whole backstory on the play, how it went or how it made you feel. Cut the time of this video in half and just tell me what you learned about the psychology of climate denial.
Most would label me a climate denier, when all I ask is “are we sure this is all anthropogenic?” That is what is wrong with the “science” of climate change; you must accept without question. That approach didn’t work out well for the “safe and effective” crowd, but the climate zealots haven’t learned…
As a native of Southeast Australia, a descendant of the Irish & British clan who own and manage all of New South Wales lands for the English crown, I welcome your TED talk.
"Going vegan is the single biggest way to reduce your environmental impact on the planet." - University of Oxford & U.N.
I actually think the title of the play is hilarious, but I want people to know that "the science" does not exist as a monolithic collection of knowledge that points in only one direction. I used to teach physics and I have done experiments with CO2 myself, trying to detect how it absorbs and emits infrared, and it is actually very difficult to do. If the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere doubles, it will increase the absorption of IR by a bit more than 1%, a fact I have not found in any resource aimed at trying to convince people about the dangers of CO2 emissions, perhaps because it doesn't sound that bad. I hope that "denier" is not used to describe the scientists Roy Spencer and John Christy, NASA scientists who were central to setting up the system that monitors global temperatures by satellite. They both agree that the global average temperature has risen in the last half century and that CO2 is a large part of it, but they they strongly question whether that will result in catastrophic outcomes. I used to be very worried about global warming, and was influenced by all the media reports that stated, basically, "extreme weather events are increasing because of climate change." But since I started reading actual scientific papers, not media reports, I found that this is simply not true. I urge you to do the same. Search for "Koonin Dessler debate" for a very interesting debate between two scientists who know a lot about atmospheric physics - you are likely to learn a lot. I also suggest Unsettled, the book by Koonin. Political partisans bash it, but as someone with scientific training, I found it to be very balanced and informative. This is coming from someone who is a devoted environmentalist and who likes to promote alternative energy and conservation. I have ordered an Aptera car - check it out. I hope you take this issue seriously and try to actually learn something about it, instead of believing.
I am a math teacher. I recently gave an old exercise to my students with temperatures so the should calculate the average temperature etc. The last question was : "During which season were these temperatures measured?". The expected answer was "summer". They all answered "spring" or "fall".
It’s less about denying and more about caring about it. And when we see people going to Davos on their private planes, where there’s not enough space to park said plane, so the pilots have to turn around and park in another city, talking about how we, the regular people, using public transport need to emit less carbon, stop eating meat, and live more “sustainable”lifestyles, makes you feel a little bit exploited. And therefore causes this inner protest that some people show as denial and most just don’t care at all. When the principle of “do as I do” is broken it’s what you get in result.
Some good stuff here, but I think an important missing piece that I am not seeing discussed, is that many Christians (and we have lots in decision-making roles) quietly think it's all part of God's plan.
The intro for this video looks the kind of intro that would play in urban movie theaters before a movie
I'm a proud member of the climate change deniers.
yeah, climate is changing, but has been just as changeable, or hotter, wetter, drier, stormier in centuries gone by. Also, some scientists say it is not as a result of humans, and even if we did drastically alter the way we live it might just possibly make a slight difference in 80 years from now.
Man, through his behavior and nature, only proves that he is not some sublime created being, but an ordinary animal that LIVES FROM TODAY UNTIL TOMORROW.
The psychology behind climate deniers is simple. It’s simple, like someone who grew up in an alcoholic home and wonders why they always mate with people with similar issues in toxic relationships. Deep down they “know” the truth, but it’s too painful and depressing to admit or even ponder. To “expect” people to rationally explore their own demise, is ironically irrational.
Peter Singer comes to mind as you evoke the irony of climate footprints reconciled with travel, modern comforts and everyday life. Peter Singer's views on animal welfare and utilitarianism ring very true, I've got no real comeback that holds up with philosophical rigor. No matter how true they ring, very few follow through with the actions demanded of those conclusions.
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