@stefanl.4249
realistically they should add the iron man teamup into his base kit
@Tearynite
His ultimate actually only lasts 6.5 seconds if you notice he doesn't start shooting until 1 second into his ult and stops shooting around 0.5 seconds before his ult ends.
@Dabajaws
The main problem i have with his ultimate is that the timer is going down before he even starts shooting due to the animation, seems strange as most other characters don't do this
@axivre
Im maining him whether hes op or the worst character in the game
@Sethafella
More people think he’s bad, the more I get to play him
@Loguer
The problem with the argument that Ultron is the third support is that the devs literally adressed the triple support meta as an anti-dive strat. And people don't like it. Besides, Mantis is viable as the second healer, so even then being an off-healer is not an excuse. What they could add is a burst heal effect provided by the drone when Ultron gets the primary attack to burst damage, incougaging aggressive gameplay like with Mantis and Adam.
@EternaISouI
Everybody's got different opinions and "oh im right youre wrong" in the comments, but 9 times out of 10 he'll get a buff before he even releases. Thats the ENTIRE point of the play test is to let streamers TEST the character to see what needs to be changed
@SSC0002
EDIT: To everyone missing the point of my original comment, don't let someone else's opinion of a character dictate yours just bc they're a streamer and/or good at the game. If you can make a character work that's all that matters People complained about Wolverine, then came TeamCaptain People complained about Peni, then came CringeAlarm People complained about Cap, then came JapaneseCurry People complained about Mr Fantastic, then came quackly Don't take a streamer's word as the absolute truth
@dazzlingdecay5337
The only change he needs is when he lands the second part of his primary it should cause his drone to pump a 40hp burst heal on the person wearing the drone...this one simple change would make him a very good DPS/healer hybrid
@ThrashRats
I believe some arguments here are VERY disingenuous. - Yes, his healing is much higher per second, yet you forgot to mention that every other ult you compared it to has a MASSIVE area in comparison to Ultron's. You are NEVER healing your entire team with Ultron's ult, while that's the norm with Luna, Inv. Woman and Cloak and Dagger. That's without saying that two of the three (Inv. Woman and Cloak and Dagger) do much more damage and serve as area denial. - "Just move your aim!", that is, without saying all your examples are about people out of position when you ult. Someone can be behind a wall? No heals. A diver on the backline? No heals. And again, MUCH smaller area. Sure, stop healing the tank to get the DPS character that's out of position on your 4 second ult! - You CAN be shot out of the sky. Ultron isn't invulnerable through it, unlike other healers with area denial ults. - Mantis' healing flower can track ANY member no matter their position. Ultron's drone breaks on lost of line of sight with the target. It's why mantis' flower is often used for fliers... Plus you depend on other's positioning because you're the slowest flier... - Warlocks' soul bond jumps between characters and gives every single one of them the strong healing, that's without saying the damage distribution being amazing to set focus back onto the team's tanks... And y'know, it not being his ONLY healing tool... Ultron's drone main numbers are only applied to the main target, the others in the area get a reduced healing. - Wasn't the theme with Rocket's healing the boon of multiple orbs stacking their healing? Ultron's drone is static. Hell it doesn't even stay if you get killed because you'd break line of sight! I'll give him that the Ult is VERY easy to charge, and that the attack seems fun, even if it's jut visually, but I genuinely feel Ultron would've been better if he was a DPS with a bit of support, instead of being sold as a support with a bit of DPS. Also you literally said nothing about his shield? Unless I missed that. I mean fair enough, I can't think of a single argument supporting that crap neither.
@remwastaken
His ult is worse than invis' (or most of the "big aoe healing ult" characters for that matter) because: 1) Invis' ult is insta-deployable, you see your team is getting shit on, you can pop it before anything goes wrong, this also benefits any time you're in dire need of the ult and you're spamming Q while at 99%, while ultron's ult takes like a full second to charge up after you press q, and only THEN can you start healing. 2) Invis' ult is a massive radius and in the meanwhile she can use the rest of her kit to support the team and do damage, while ultron can only either heal or damage unless your team is literally on top of the enemy team, which isn't super unlikely but it's also not a guarantee. 3) Pretty much only one shot combos/attacks can kill you during their ults, while ultron has barely any survivability during his ult, so it's ridiculously easy for the enemy to shoot you down if you don't have good positioning, which is true for most of the playerbase. And if you really want to compare ultron to other healers, all of them provide much more utility than ultron does, they all do similar damage, and most do more healing with their primary ways of doing both. Sure, maybe he's not LITERALLY unplayable but why play ultron when you can play literally any other dps and do more damage, or any other healer and do more healing AND more damage, he's an ass character and easily the worst of the healers (not counting jeff since i haven't seen any gameplay of his rework yet).
@zinkohtun3977
At least dev should give Ultron a self healing ability without Ult.
@phoenix05892
I think people's issue with the ult is that it's a disconnect, Ultron literally shouts "Extermination" while surrounding himself with bots. It indicates that the ult is geared towards damage and killing enemies and yet it's primarily used for healing. Someone else had mentioned that a different voice line would be more fitting such as "This is evolution" or something among those lines.
@bluejay9638
1:37 actually, no theyre not. Ultrons ult is only 7-6.5 seconds. His voice line and animation are included in that 8 seconds, shaving off around a second. He has the shortest functioning support ult
@romeoshackleford9890
Although you make some valid points, I feel as though the kit itself still needs reworked. As a huge fan of Ultron, I just don't see this as being an 'Ultron themed Kit'. Every other character, on majority, was given a kit that represents how it would feel to BE that character, part of the vision behind this game is to fulfill a Hero fantasy, the devs state this many times. With Ultron, however, I feel as though they really missed the mark on this. Ultron as a character (in terms of abilities and powers) is mainly focused on his many drones and copies of himself. Of course, it'd be broken if he could just go to a new drone and live forever or something like that, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have played more into the drone aspect that makes Ultron so unique. Maybe even make him the first character to create npcs with his drones and make them similar to Loki but have them be "programmed" on creation to either heal or do damage. Of course, with nerfed numbers to not be too overpowered. They didn't even have to do it this way; it's merely an example. My point is that there simply isn't anything about his kit that at all reflects the character of "Ultron". Even looking passed his main aspects and focusing on some smaller stuff, which they still ignored. Like, for example, how he combined himself with Hank Pym in the comics. They could've (In a VERY big stretch of how and why it was done in the comics, but at least in a more Ultron like fashion) made a way for him to buff his allies with 'technology' or something along that line of thinking, but no, they gave him a weak shield ability and the head of a drone which you can barely see. Oh! And then tease us with ACTUAL drone models for his ultimate. Can't forget that slap on the back. The main issue, for me, is that this character is not Ultron. It's just a robot with some out of nowhere abilities. I truly hope they will rework him into an actual fulfillment of the Ultron Fantasy. Probably still gonna play him though, for as much as I hate this version of Ultron, I just love Ultron far more. (P.S. The Enchepalo-Ray is actually a really nice touch, since that is an actual thing from the comics, but it still isn't enough to justify them ignoring every other aspect of what Ultron is as a character.)
@minhocho5487
Also im putting this as an ironfist main. I can one shot kick anyone who has around 100hp meaning if Ultron gets a successful shot onto a 250 hp target, I can kick one shot and get out. This might be me being used to the current dive meta, but I feel like there are so many opportunities with Ultron and dive comps.
@TheGodlyGamerMugen
Said the same thing about torch and wolverine once people got good with them everyone started saying they are crazy and banning them
@Chrisppyy99
Iron man ult can't even kill a full HP tank point blank. This is the same situation as Mr fantastic and human torch on release
@ryanager8029
1:53 here’s the issues with Ultron ult vs a support ult compared to Luna, Mantis, Cloak and Dagger and Invisible Woman. 1: the AoE is tiny comparatively, and most ults you would want to counter do damage in far larger areas, (Spidey, Storm, punisher, Star lord, etc) so you are unlikely to save your whole team, just one member. 2: unlike the rest of the support ults, Ultron doesn’t get the same healing the rest of his team does, so it is far easier to kill him during his ult (without a oneshot like Mag ult) than an Invis or Cloak n Dagger. 3: it’s projectile travel time you have to aim, in a game where heroes move incredibly fast, especially when they are running for their lives. 4: it says it’s 8s, but the duration also counts the starting animation and ending animation, reducing it to just 6-6.5s. 5: each of the other support ults has some functionality in addition to just healing. CnD’s does AoE damage, and is the weakest of the utility, Invisible Woman’s makes anyone inside invisible to enemies outside and slows enemies, Luna’s can toggle to 40% dmg boost, and Mantis overheals into shields and gives Speed Boost. Mediocre damage in that small of an AoE is the weakest utility of them all. So as a support ult: it’s got the shortest duration, the smallest AoE, the hardest to connect with, the easiest to kill the caster of, and the least non-healing utility.
@vhyles