the indian's CEO ( google, microsoft, ...) sending jobs home
I know many have moved out of the U.S. to Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, etc.
A large number of Tech jobs are taken by foreign visa holders and offshore employees.
I am a hospitality accountant. Our jobs started being replaced by offshore Indian guys.
The bubble burst. Wonder what the next bubble is going to be ?
As for me (I was a junior software engineer in Poland), I heard that there is a trend in the West for tremendous lack of blue collar specialists, so I started up a second specialization - and became industrial welder. The job is tough as shit (was especially at the beginning) but I get to pay the bills and buy food, so I'm buying time and continue to send resumes for IT. By gaining exp as welder it's possible I will move to more profitable place in some time if there's no place in IT.
Now ask why are there any H1-Bs still allowed to work for American companies?
Not everything is programming. I'm on infrastructure side and jobs are fine.
Not all of the tech employees are engineers or programmers.
all kind of researchers or scientists laid off in the US, come to Europe, you'll be welcome in Germany and France
LOL "Of course, nobody has written a single test in 6 months". It's going to be really interesting to see what causes the pendulum to swing the other way on engineering coverage. 🍿
Me, I’m creating my own business.
The OGs will stick around and ride the storm out, building up their craft in machine learning, generative AI and staying in the race. I hope that these tech companies will eventually wake up and start hiring US citizens vs offloading to India. I can't tell you how many projects I've seen where all their code needs to be re-written. I'm not sure AI coders will fix this problem, but we will see.
Tech are going to India at $5 an hour Soon managers will get replaced as well. What a joke
I jumped ship on time. :)
We need to make it illegal to send jobs across the sea...... If you want to to do business here you have to play by the rules. If you want to leave your money stays here. If they want you to train a person across the world, quit immediately.
There's a big disconnect between what CEO's tout as the ability of generative AI and it's ability to generate code that meets functional requirements. AI needs to spin up a virtual instance, test the code, debug it, etc. That feedback loop doesn't exist. I think Eric Schmidt was hinting at something like that in his talk at Stanford, but he was vague. Beyond that, AI would need to understand how to solve the actual business problem. Users are notorious for not being able to communicate what their needs are. Product managers specialize in this translation between user needs and requirements. I don't see AI doing that either in the near future. Also, since AI can't get simple coding problems right, beyond simple Leetcode problems, how will it fare in a large monorepo with complex business rules,etc? That's at least an order of magnitude more difficult than the "easy" problems that AI struggles with. Yet, CEOs are bullish on it and want to throw more money and electrical power toward it (see Microsoft and Three-Mile Island). AI has plateaued at an unimpressive level. Companies laying off coders in the hopes that AI will replace them are delusional. American companies outsourcing coding has never worked, from what I've seen, and I've seen a lot. It's the same problem with AI. It's difficult to translate user needs into requirements that can be executed on without having the immediacy project managers and developers to collaborate with each other. Crossing time zones and language barriers is hard on everyone, and never results in anything, but messy code that fails to meet true and valid business needs. If I get laid off, I'll try to find another remote job. In the meantime, I'll be pursing two entrepreneurial ideal I have--and one has nothing to do with technology. If either work, I won't be re-joining the workforce. There are loads of smart people in the tech world, and I think many have the same thoughts as me about pursing entrepreneurial ideas outside of tech. Couple that with the fact that kids are being encouraged to not learn coding by people like Nvidia's CEO. The effect of these two things will be a dearth of willing smart people available to work in the tech world. This will happen when the pendulum swings the other way, and companies realize they need the smart people they've been trying to lay off or outsource or refocus on nascent technology. CEOs and companies are being reckless by not recognizing the value of the impressive coding brain share that's out there. They should learn to appreciate it as a gift rather than trying to prematurely replace it. C'est la vie.
They’re joining the military.
@DecisionForest