The A.I. Job Apocalypse Is Here | EP 138

This week, we dive into Kevin’s recent column about how A.I. is affecting the job market for new graduates, and debate whether the job apocalypse is already here for entry-level work. Then Mike Krieger joins us to discuss the new Claude 4 model, the future of work and the online chatter over whether an A.I. system could blackmail you. And finally, it’s time to open up the case files for another round of Hard Fork Crimes Division.

Guest:
Mike Krieger, chief product officer at Anthropic

Additional Reading:
For Some Recent Graduates, the A.I. Job Apocalypse May Already Be Here
www.nytimes.com/2025/05/30/technology/ai-jobs-coll…

Another Suspect Is Charged in Bitcoin Kidnapping and Torture Case
www.nytimes.com/2025/05/27/nyregion/crypto-investo…

Elizabeth Holmes’s Partner Has a New Blood-Testing Start-Up
www.nytimes.com/2025/05/10/business/elizabeth-holm…

Chapters:
00:00:00 - Coming up
00:01:02 - Casey goes outside
00:02:07 - This week on the show
00:02:31 - Is A.I. taking entry-level jobs?
00:28:38 - Interview with Mike Krieger of Anthropic
00:58:16 - Hard Fork Crimes Division: Meta on trial, crypto kidnapping, and look who's back

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Credits
“Hard Fork” is hosted by Kevin Roose and Casey Newton. Produced by Rachel Cohn and Whitney Jones. This episode was edited by Matt Collette. Engineering by Chris Wood and original music by Dan Powell, Marion Lozano, Sophia Lanman and Rowan Niemisto. Our audience editor is Niko Gallogly. Fact-checking by Ena Alvarado. Our executive producer is Jen Poyant. Video production by Chris Schodt, Sawyer Roque, and Jake Nicol. Video QC by Isabella Anderson. Podcast Art Direction by Benjamin Wilkerson Tousley. Podcast Art & Animations by Julian Hespenheide. Additional Motion graphics by Phil Robibero. Thumbnails by Julia Moburg, Elizabeth Bristow, and Yvonne Stender. Special thanks to Paula Szuchman, Pui-Wing Tam, Nell Gallogly, Kate LoPresti and Jeffrey Miranda